Re : jaysus Freak and The Ultimate FREE WILL PARADOX

	Duration: 09:23 minutes Upload Time: 07-06-15 23:48:01 User: g0at :::: Favorites
Description: The people your god killed in the mythological book called the bible were NOT guilty, they HAD to do what they did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRxJWQtq9S4
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sallyjones22 ::: Favorites why even bother with this fucking idiot. lol jesus freek is one of those dumbass fundies that doesnt know how to make a rational argument and thinks he is right about everything even when facts prove him wrong 07-07-22 04:06:28 _____________________________________________________
jobber00 ::: Favorites Where do you get your standard of morality from? Just courious. 07-07-11 23:37:50 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites mill around, I have videos talking about this :) 07-07-12 00:01:25 _____________________________________________________
Flipiments ::: Favorites Yes we where created with knowledge of or choices by God. That dosent mean we diddnt make the choice ourselvs. Yes we were created with knowledge that we would sin. God loved us so much he allowed us to sin, and then sacraficed Himself to save us from it. 07-07-06 17:08:19 _____________________________________________________
bmer817 ::: Favorites Mr. Goat. I viewed this clip at your referral. You may want to check out the teachings of Charles Stanley. I think you're trying to understand spiritual matters by using fleshly logic. You should pray for wisdom and the Holy Spirit to reveal Biblical truths. I'm reminded of the passage of scripture when Jesus discussed putting new wine in old vessels and the vessels exploded. You seem like an earnest and sincere guy. Just hope you find the true path some day. Peace and Love. 07-07-05 19:47:32 _____________________________________________________
gameface222000 ::: Favorites I believe in god but I do agree with wat your saying because it makes since to me I guess im just the kinda guy that thinks if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then.... AFLAC!! Or maybe im just confused and brainwashed I may never know but iv been raised to think theirs a god so until otherwise.. 07-07-04 16:06:32 _____________________________________________________
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DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites Lets be fair, I never stated that we choose God or sin, don't profile me. I asked you fair questions, and you know it. If you can answer those, I can answer yours. 07-06-28 16:56:53 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites "we condemned ourselves, and God gave us a way out." -you Therefore... You are saying we have free will under this god....I disagree. show me where I am flawed... 07-06-28 19:14:20 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites Tell me if I am mistaken, but your argument was largely based on how God cannot have free will, instead of mankind. I am trying to understand the foundation of your argument before I jump into the rest. Please clarify that. Also, where is your accounting for the focus point of all things God? (ie, Jesus Christ). I didn't see any acknowledgement of the biggest part of God's story, which you conveniently ignored in your argument. 07-06-28 20:56:04 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites let me just type out a section that I spoke. 1. God has complete knowledge of the universe, its laws and state 2. God decided the initial conditions and laws that set the universe in motion, knowing their consequences If 1 and 2 are true, god set the universe in motion knowing everything at the moment of creation, Therefore, you cannot have free will. Any choice you make is nothing but an illusion. 07-06-28 21:49:44 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites Tell me if I am mistaken, but your argument was largely based on how God cannot have free will, instead of mankind. I am trying to understand the foundation of your argument before I jump into the rest. Please clarify that. Also, where is your accounting for the focus point of all things God? (ie, Jesus Christ). I didn't see any acknowledgement of the biggest part of God's story, which you conveniently ignored in your argument. 07-06-29 13:56:47 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites I calrified it above by showing the paradox with an all knowing all powerful god's inability to give us free will. ( he can't have free will as well, but both are qually paradoxical) -- and yes paradoxical is a word lol 07-06-29 15:47:50 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites clarified* But I also want to add the following . It doesn't matter what the bible says about jesus, or what jesus did. If we do not have free will to choose what we want to do, christianity falls apart... do you see why this is a bigger problem? 07-06-29 15:49:06 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites No I don't. You refuse to answer my question because you know they will negatively affect your argument. Those are foundational to what you are arguing. You think Jesus has no bearing on arguing about God's actions in this world!? You have no idea what God's story is about friend, none. 07-06-29 18:08:28 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites Dave... Yes I understand how christianity works... But if you do not have free will there is nothing you can do to save yourself. The end. You lose. 07-06-29 23:10:24 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites No, you don't, because you think Jesus has nothing to do with your argument about the nature of God. It's cute that you want to make the assumptive close, but if you cannot clarify simple questions about your argument, then how is it that you think it is fair for others to respond to false premesis? I will gladly address your argument when you kindly answer my questions. 07-06-30 11:03:25 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites please just ask me a question and stop beating around the bush. Am i ignoring god's gracE? god can have all the grace he want's on robots he creates. 07-06-30 18:06:45 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites I have asked you two very specific questions, but I will ask for the third time. ONE, are you addressing GOD's free will or MAN's free will? Your argument is confusing there. TWO, why are you not specifically addressing the work of Christ when discussing the nature of God? They are inseperable, and your argument cannot possibly be complete without addressing God's free gift in Jesus. You have your questions again, still waiting for your specific reply to both. 07-07-02 10:31:27 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites 1. Both. I answered this when I said "But if you do not have free will there is nothing you can do to save yourself. " 2. I never talked about the nature of god. The nature of god is irrelevant if man does not have free will. 07-07-02 14:55:36 _____________________________________________________
DaveKerwin77 ::: Favorites You did mention about the nature of God because you argued using his qualities (ie, omnipotence). Let me ask you this final question before presenting a counter-argument: Since you are discussing God and referring to what the Bible says he is, does that mean will will accept or reject my arguments coming form the same text? In other words, if I am able to show you how the Biblical God (as you attempted to describe him) is not accurate, would you hear that argument? 07-07-04 12:37:12 _____________________________________________________